EDHS Contemporary World Affairs

davidtvelasco · Veteran Member

Uruguay president vetoes abortion bill (debate!)

Flanny · Senior Member

no i don't believe it should, its taking a human life and i don't believe that is morally right.

Beccawicks · Senior Member

Yes. Its a womans choice. Whether or not you think it is moral to make that choice, is your perogative. But it is not a religious or government decision. I personally believe that first trimester abortions are fine. If you are able to care for that child, I believe you should. But I believe in the right to choose. And I just think that if you have a moral issue against it, then don't have one.

krea · Senior Member

im pro-choice so i believe abortions should be legal

kb · Senior Member

I think it should be up to the girl

LauraHernandez17 · Senior Member

of course. I personally don't think i could ever do that but I think as far as the safety for the girls who want to abort their preganancy I think legalizing it will prevent a lot of deaths because I know one of the reasons that Mexico legalized abortion was because a lot of girls were going to unsafe doctors and getting it done illegally and they got it done poorly and ended up dying or sick so in terms of that i think legal abortion is necessary.

cstair23 · Senior Member

i am pro choice
in that it is the womans decision to do what she feels is right with her child
whether it be adoption or abortion

and for the government to take away that option, i believe, is horrible

Janell · Veteran Member

I don't think abortions should be up to the government. If they are not allowed, there will be so many "back alley" abortions. Just because the gov says no doesn't mean they aren't going to happen. I don't think abortion should be the womens first choice, there are other options...

drewtekulve · Senior Member

I believe that if the baby is endangering the woman's life, it should be legal. But if the woman got knocked up and was this brat who didnt want the baby that her careless decision made, i don't think that should be allowed. A selfish act, nonetheless.

Even if the woman is worried that she is too poor or does not have time to support the child, adoption should be the answer. Not abortion.

LauraHernandez17 · Senior Member

drewtekulve wrote:

I believe that if the baby is endangering the woman's life, it should be legal. But if the woman got knocked up and was this brat who didnt want the baby that her careless decision made, i don't think that should be allowed. A selfish act, nonetheless.

Even if the woman is worried that she is too poor or does not have time to support the child, adoption should be the answer. Not abortion.

Uruguay is not the United States. Women don't have that many options as far as adoption so I think we should rule out the adoption argument right now because thats not available everywhere.

Flanny · Senior Member

i agree with drew!!!!!
own up to your responsiblity.

CharlieBurling · Veteran Member

As much as I don't think that abortion should be used as an escape from your problems, if someone wants to, it's that person's choice and the government should respect that.

rtheisen · Senior Member

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

sophie · Veteran Member

since Uruguay doesn't need to control their population, abortion should be banned.

Beccawicks · Senior Member

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

LauraHernandez17 · Senior Member

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

I totally think that people should own up to their responcibilities but we cant filter out who was responcible and who was raped or whatever and as far as comparing a fertalized egg and an adult I think shouldnt be done. Thats the reason why its only allowed during the first trimester. And as far as unprotected sex goes, you cant filter out who had unprotected sex, condoms break, birth control fails sometimes. and it might not be available for all people especially for younger girls it might be harder to get brth control without parent permission

-- Edited by LauraHernandez17 at 18:50, 2008-11-18

KSF{Kodies} · Senior Member

i am morally prolife, but i dont believe its not the governments place to step in. Even though i believe the child should have the chance to survive, if its beening introduced into a world that isnt healthy for it to develop, or the mother would be in harm, it should be the moms choice to make that decision.

rtheisen · Senior Member

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

rtheisen · Senior Member

LauraHernandez17 wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

I totally think that people should own up to their responcibilities but we cant filter out who was responcible and who was raped or whatever and as far as comparing a fertalized egg and an adult I think shouldnt be done. Thats the reason why its only allowed during the first trimester. And as far as unprotected sex goes, you cant filter out who had unprotected sex, condoms break, birth control fails sometimes. and it might not be available for all people especially for younger girls it might be harder to get brth control without parent permission

-- Edited by LauraHernandez17 at 18:50, 2008-11-18

if they've been raped or it threatens the woman's life, then I am ok with the abortion. But not after consented sex.

kb · Senior Member

There could be a lot of reason why people don't want to keep the baby, which is exactly why we shouldn't eliminate the option of abortion

Beccawicks · Senior Member

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

That pregnant man...has a uterus. Uterus=ability to have child=reason to have an opinion about abortion. At some point, yes, people should not have abortions as an escape. Because you become attached to the child once you give birth. A mother's love is incredibly strong, it is that hard to give your child away. Taking away the right as a whole though, it leads to other problems. Not everyone just had unprotected sex and are like "ooops! Abort. Yay!" Then that contributes to teens dropping out of school, and therefore not going to college. Or children growing up in poverty because the parents can only work on minimum wage. Or the baby daddy leaves. People need to look outside their bubble. If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about.

rtheisen · Senior Member

kb wrote:

There could be a lot of reason why people don't want to keep the baby, which is exactly why we shouldn't eliminate the option of abortion

we're not talking about a car, or a cellphone, we are talking about a human being who has done nothing wrong but come into existence. It deserves its chance at life. What if that baby were to grow up to be the greatest president ever? or a Martin Luther King Jr?

Flanny · Senior Member

tru dat tru dat.... very unlikley but very possbile

krea · Senior Member

i dont agree when people say ok if the girl got raped or the baby endangers her life then she should get an abortion but if she just got knocked up by her bf or whatever and she just doesnt want it then she shouldnt be allowed. its either legal for all or illegal for all. no exceptions

kb · Senior Member

What if it grew up to be the next Hitler?

rtheisen · Senior Member

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

That pregnant man...has a uterus. Uterus=ability to have child=reason to have an opinion about abortion. At some point, yes, people should not have abortions as an escape. Because you become attached to the child once you give birth. A mother's love is incredibly strong, it is that hard to give your child away. Taking away the right as a whole though, it leads to other problems. Not everyone just had unprotected sex and are like "ooops! Abort. Yay!" Then that contributes to teens dropping out of school, and therefore not going to college. Or children growing up in poverty because the parents can only work on minimum wage. Or the baby daddy leaves. People need to look outside their bubble. If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about.

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

Beccawicks · Senior Member

patrickisoverrated wrote:

kb wrote:

What if it grew up to be the next Hitler?

....................what?

this is in the response to the fact that it could be the next Martin Luther King Jr.

rtheisen · Senior Member

kb wrote:

What if it grew up to be the next Hitler?

it's possible, but let's at least give the child the chance

krea · Senior Member

i really like beccas quote "If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about." thats true its sad and immoral but if you think its immoral then just dont have the abortion yourself! others deserve a choice

patrickisoverrated · Senior Member

Beccawicks wrote:

patrickisoverrated wrote:

kb wrote:

What if it grew up to be the next Hitler?

....................what?

this is in the response to the fact that it could be the next Martin Luther King Jr.

Ah. Thank you Becca. Well I'm sure that you can know upon birth whether a baby is going to become a martyr or a tyrant.

adrianna_mrozek · Veteran Member

I think a woman should have the choice... Its her body, and if she doesn't want to subject herself to having a baby, then she shouldn't have to. So I think they should have the right to choose... Yes, its irresponsible to get pregnant if you don't want it, but i agree with Becca. No one intentionally gets pregnant just so they can go have an abortion...

Beccawicks · Senior Member

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

That pregnant man...has a uterus. Uterus=ability to have child=reason to have an opinion about abortion. At some point, yes, people should not have abortions as an escape. Because you become attached to the child once you give birth. A mother's love is incredibly strong, it is that hard to give your child away. Taking away the right as a whole though, it leads to other problems. Not everyone just had unprotected sex and are like "ooops! Abort. Yay!" Then that contributes to teens dropping out of school, and therefore not going to college. Or children growing up in poverty because the parents can only work on minimum wage. Or the baby daddy leaves. People need to look outside their bubble. If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about.

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

That is not the same. I mean just, really? The baby is out a breathing and living. Thats murder. Stopping a cell from growing isn't. Hence why its legal in the United States.

nicholeoli · Veteran Member

well its womens rights but im not for taking lives.

adrianna_mrozek · Veteran Member

I totally agree too... Don't have one if you don't want to. But leave the option to people who do want to/need to.

krea wrote:

i really like beccas quote "If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about." thats true its sad and immoral but if you think its immoral then just dont have the abortion yourself! others deserve a choice

drewtekulve · Senior Member

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

That pregnant man...has a uterus. Uterus=ability to have child=reason to have an opinion about abortion. At some point, yes, people should not have abortions as an escape. Because you become attached to the child once you give birth. A mother's love is incredibly strong, it is that hard to give your child away. Taking away the right as a whole though, it leads to other problems. Not everyone just had unprotected sex and are like "ooops! Abort. Yay!" Then that contributes to teens dropping out of school, and therefore not going to college. Or children growing up in poverty because the parents can only work on minimum wage. Or the baby daddy leaves. People need to look outside their bubble. If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about.

I understand the mother feels a strong connection towards the child, a very valid point. But honestly, if the mother doesn't want to feel those feelings, work their hardest not to have one. Perhaps celibacy is the key. Or perhaps take extra cautious actions.

If it's out of selfish reasons, that's where i get bent. And we don't automatically assume that the abortee mother is going to drop out of high school and become furthermore immoral. That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

All i believe, in my personal opinion, is that if it endangers, abortion is okay. If it doesn't necessarily endanger the woman's life, it shouldn't be allowed.

And whether or not it's considered human in the embroytic stage or not, it WILL, in the end, BECOME A HUMAN.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 19:10, 2008-11-18

fabulous_erin · Veteran Member

i don't like abortions but i don't like people denying others of their rights. it's the females decision and if she wants to live with the guilt of it the rest of her life that is her decision. i think though that the government then needs to put more funding and/or emphasis on birth control in their country.

LauraHernandez17 · Senior Member

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

Beccawicks wrote:

rtheisen wrote:

I don't understand how people oppose the death penalty, but are for abortion. People say save the man who murdered his wife, but are willing to pull the trigger on a defenseless infant. If you are pro-choice, how about the choice of the women to have unprotected sex? Why are we willing to kill babies because irrespnosible people make bad decisions?

Honestly? I don't believe it is a person until second trimester. You can disagree all you want, but thats what I believe. No one gets pregnant thinking "God, I hope I can have an abortion after this." There are so many circumstances surrounding it. Whether or not anyone makes the decision, there are so many things that could happen that you wouldn't know about. Yes, sometimes it is absolutely irresponsibility, and I think thats wrong. But you know what my honest opinion is, if you don't have a uterus, you have no reason to judge abortion. A man will never have to make that decision.

well, that pregnant man could make that decision. And i think a lot of people say they hope they can get an abortion after they realize they're pregnant, otherwise they wouldn't get one. They probably say, "dang it, how do i get rid of this thing?" At some point, people need to be held responsible for their actions. I don't think we should let infants take the fall because two idiots don't want to take care of their child. At least give it up for adoption, why is that so hard? Because they are selfish and don't want to have to deal with the pain.

That pregnant man...has a uterus. Uterus=ability to have child=reason to have an opinion about abortion. At some point, yes, people should not have abortions as an escape. Because you become attached to the child once you give birth. A mother's love is incredibly strong, it is that hard to give your child away. Taking away the right as a whole though, it leads to other problems. Not everyone just had unprotected sex and are like "ooops! Abort. Yay!" Then that contributes to teens dropping out of school, and therefore not going to college. Or children growing up in poverty because the parents can only work on minimum wage. Or the baby daddy leaves. People need to look outside their bubble. If you think its immoral, thats cool and I don't think you are wrong. But you have no right to take away rights that you don't know anything about.

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

okay you are a man. You have absolutely no idea and never will know what it feels like to feel trapped in a situation like that. Personally if i got pregnant my dad would kick me out so I am not getting pregnant thats it but I really cant imagine how you or any man can have an opinion

rtheisen · Senior Member

because it's a cell for a few weeks means it's not a human?

drewtekulve · Senior Member

LauraHernandez17 wrote:

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

okay you are a man. You have absolutely no idea and never will know what it feels like to feel trapped in a situation like that. Personally if i got pregnant my dad would kick me out so I am not getting pregnant thats it but I really cant imagine how you or any man can have an opinion

So what both you and Becca are saying is that because Robert and I are guys, we not subjected to have an opinion on abortion? Just because man is no way involved? Let me remind you, we provide the semen for impregnation, thus at least making us SOMEWHAT involved in this process. I mean c'mon, "you know what i mean?"

how the gender line validates your argument is beyond me and all men in that matter.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 22:10, 2008-11-18

-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi at 19:01, 2008-11-19

rtheisen · Senior Member

Drew's right. That would be like saying women can't have an opinion on the draft because only men have ever been drafted.

And women don't just become attached to the child after they give birth, they SHOULD become attached at the moment they find out they are pregnant. When a man is told by his wife that she's pregnant, does he not jump up and down, exclaiming to the world that he his going to have a son or daughter? Women aren't the only ones invested in the birth of a child.

drewtekulve · Senior Member

And i can also assure you that all guys, whether they are pro-life or not, can agree that they should have an opinion about abortion.

kb · Senior Member

I would just like to say, that if abortion was banned, that people would be bringing unwanted babies into the world. And it would most likely have a bad life, especially since the parents don't want the kid. If you guys are so worried about the baby, why don't you think about what kind of life the child is actually going to have..

kb · Senior Member

But I do think a man should have an opinion, it does effect their life too

drewtekulve · Senior Member

Think about it this way in more economic terms, if abortion was banned, then there will be a greater demand of birth control. And perhaps with this increased demand there will be an increased need for a more efficient or more effective forms of birth control, so thus eventually birth control would be perfected in the sense that if they choose not to have a baby, they don't have to.

Whereas with abortion available there is that slight escape route, which doesn't  necessarily demand such a increased need of a more effective birth control.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 23:57, 2008-11-18

CharlieBurling · Veteran Member

drewtekulve wrote:

Think about it this way in more economic terms, if abortion was banned, then there will be a greater demand of birth control. And perhaps with this increased demand there will be an increased need for a more efficient or more effective forms of birth control, so thus eventually birth control would be perfected in the sense that if they choose not to have a baby, they don't have to.

Whereas with abortion available there is that slight escape route, which doesn't  necessarily demand such a increased need of a more effective birth control.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 23:57, 2008-11-18

Disregarding the middle of your post, that's purely theoritical. Banning abortions would stop people from having abortions in a similar way as prohibition stopped people from drinking alcohol. It would still go on, just in riskier and more illegal ways.

-- Edited by CharlieBurling at 00:52, 2008-11-19

drewtekulve · Senior Member

a valid point. I apoligize if i bored anyone with my outlandish theories.

Danika · Veteran Member

abortion is murder. it's that simple. just because some peope don't define it as a "life" yet doesn't mean that it won't become a life. every human being, whether a fetus or otherwise, deserves the chance to live.

Beccawicks · Senior Member

drewtekulve wrote:

LauraHernandez17 wrote:

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

okay you are a man. You have absolutely no idea and never will know what it feels like to feel trapped in a situation like that. Personally if i got pregnant my dad would kick me out so I am not getting pregnant thats it but I really cant imagine how you or any man can have an opinion

So what both you and Becca are saying is that because Robert and I are guys, we not subjected to have an opinion on abortion? Just because man is no way involved? Let me remind you, we provide the semen for impregnation, thus at least making us SOMEWHAT involved in this process. I mean c'mon, "you know what i mean?"

Just to say that is very ignorant and very ridiculous. And how the gender line validates your argument is beyond me and all men in that matter.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 22:10, 2008-11-18

My issue with men getting all "holier than thou" on the issue of abortion is, yes, they are involved in the pregnancy and I respect the personal belief that life begins at conception. Thats a personal opinion and it will be debated till the end of time. But for a man to say the decision shouldn't be that difficult, how would he ever know? A man will never have to go through that personal decision. Sometimes, yes, be involved in the process. But he will never have to go through that personal trial. And can never fully comprehend how difficult a decision that must be. I can respect a man being pro-life. Absolutely. I can't respect the judgement of someones decision, which they no matter what, will never be in that position (the pregnant man was originally a woman; lets not get that technical) Do I think a woman should willy nilly get abortions? No. But there are things we don't know about, and if we ban abortions, then its not going to stop it. It will just increase the dangerous coat hanger abortions and not only will fetus's be killed, but mothers can be killed. How is that the sanctity of life?

rtheisen · Senior Member

Beccawicks wrote:

drewtekulve wrote:

LauraHernandez17 wrote:

I can judge and will continue to judeg because I am a human being, watching other human beings kill their children. When a mom drowns her child in a bathtub we scold her and call her a monster. But when she has an abortion, we call it her right. So let's just allow women to smother their sleeping babies, because she doesn't want to deal with it anymore

okay you are a man. You have absolutely no idea and never will know what it feels like to feel trapped in a situation like that. Personally if i got pregnant my dad would kick me out so I am not getting pregnant thats it but I really cant imagine how you or any man can have an opinion

So what both you and Becca are saying is that because Robert and I are guys, we not subjected to have an opinion on abortion? Just because man is no way involved? Let me remind you, we provide the semen for impregnation, thus at least making us SOMEWHAT involved in this process. I mean c'mon, "you know what i mean?"

Just to say that is very ignorant and very ridiculous. And how the gender line validates your argument is beyond me and all men in that matter.

-- Edited by drewtekulve at 22:10, 2008-11-18
My issue with men getting all "holier than thou" on the issue of abortion is, yes, they are involved in the pregnancy and I respect the personal belief that life begins at conception. Thats a personal opinion and it will be debated till the end of time. But for a man to say the decision shouldn't be that difficult, how would he ever know? A man will never have to go through that personal decision. Sometimes, yes, be involved in the process. But he will never have to go through that personal trial. And can never fully comprehend how difficult a decision that must be. I can respect a man being pro-life. Absolutely. I can't respect the judgement of someones decision, which they no matter what, will never be in that position (the pregnant man was originally a woman; lets not get that technical) Do I think a woman should willy nilly get abortions? No. But there are things we don't know about, and if we ban abortions, then its not going to stop it. It will just increase the dangerous coat hanger abortions and not only will fetus's be killed, but mothers can be killed. How is that the sanctity of life?

I agree that banning abortions will lead to more performed in the back alley, but it would still reduce the amount that do occurr dramatically. But as for a man to never know how hard a decision it would be, what about people like my Uncle, who had to decide to take his son off of life support after a car accident? I don't see much of a difference, except that my Uncle had doctors do everything in their power to save him.

kb · Senior Member

Who are we to say, that NO ONE can have an abortion. I agree that it is morally wrong, but we shouldn't take away rights from people. If they want to have an abortion then they should be allowed to. Not everyone is just some random teenager that got knocked up. Abortion ISN'T as simple to say it's murder. It depends on each person. And you would be eliminating the right for all women. Not just knocked up teenagers, which is how I think people who are pro life view it. However, I may be wrong. The kid would probably have a horrible life with two parents who don't even want it, and that is wrong to bring a baby into that kind of enviorment. Not everyone is strong enough to give their kid to an adoption agency. Goverment should not have the right to take away the right from all women. If you are truely against it, then just don't get your self in that kind of situation, and if you do, don't have an abortion. But it's not fair to take the rights away from millions of other women who may need to have an abortion due to their circumstance.