EDHS Contemporary World Affairs

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

Individualism vs. collectivism

DaisyVo1212 · Senior Member

RE: Gun control

Snackycakes · Senior Member

I have no sleeves today, I'm exercising my right to bare arms.

Luis777 · Senior Member

i think people have the right to have guns because its our right

coramarie:p · Veteran Member

I have to say that gun control remains to be a huge problem in todays world. This issue only continues in getting worse with each progressing year. As far as taking action and fighting for limitaions with the right to bear arms would be a hard mountain to climb to be honest. Im not sure what steps we could take to change the problem but there has to be some set of limitations to the arising dilemas.

Kody Disbrow · Veteran Member

well current gun control laws require and 5 day waiting period on handguns and also require gun stores to run background checks on people.

alecralph · Veteran Member

its the right of every american to have a gun thats the second amendment in our constitution

jacobcorbin · Senior Member

I thought one of the amendments said that we have a right to bear arms, so realistically i dont think you can do anything about it anyways.

Ankz · Veteran Member

Individualism vs. collectivism

LaurrenM · Senior Member

if no one had a gun. then why would there be any need for someone to carry a gun in the first place.

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

LaurrenM wrote:

if no one had a gun. then why would there be any need for someone to carry a gun in the first place.

Criminals don't follow laws.

ON the new topic of individualism v collectivism I would say individualism is the most prudent course for any government. If we al maintain ourselves then there is no need to maintain others (idealistcally atleast) and combine with capitalism you get a system that allows everyone even those that fall down hard to get back up and still make a life for themselves. Plus socialists are collectivists and we all know how well socialism works.

-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:35:06 PM

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

but chris what about the people that cant take care of themselves? im not talking about the fakers who say they have some kind of stupid disability like they cant wipe their own butt and then they get governemnt aid, but the truly mentally or physically handicap people out there? they cant do things for themselves. i think there is a happy medium

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Families will provide for them and when they can not there are private centers or non profit places that will take care of people just by being charitable. The fact of the matter is we give more when we have more so if we just take it focefully we will never truly grow to be a morally up right country.

Kody Disbrow · Veteran Member

exactly chris the people that cause the population to demand more gun control are the ones who dont follow the existing gun control laws and dont care what new ones we put into effect

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

you are right, im sure their drugged out mom and their pimp dad will help their mentally chllenged kid, and you cant rely on maybes such as charities, you need some kind of sure assistance like government

[(JordanA.)] · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

you are right, im sure their drugged out mom and their pimp dad will help their mentally chllenged kid, and you cant rely on maybes such as charities, you need some kind of sure assistance like government

Hahaha!

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Oh yes look how well government is taking care of our elderly with all the awesome programs like social security, medicare, and medicad. Oh yes they totally do a better job! /rolls his eyes

The things is thoguh that once we meet our own needs we have more time/energy/and resources to give to those that do not but it should not be something that is forced. When it is forced you cause people to have a negative mindset about how much they really have so they always feel the need to make up for what they have lost.

The statistics say that religious Americans give four times as much money to charity each year than secular people, and are 23 times more likely to volunteer to help people than folks who never attend church. And heres another crushing stat: If liberals donated blood at the rate conservatives do, the nations blood supply would rise 45%.

I point this out because individualists are usually conservative or libertarians.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:42:15 PM

DaisyVo1212 · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

you are right, im sure their drugged out mom and their pimp dad will help their mentally chllenged kid, and you cant rely on maybes such as charities, you need some kind of sure assistance like government

Today America isn't completely capitalist, and i think it works better than in the past. Correct me if i'm wrong, but pure Capitalism is brutal. Businesses were able to do pretty much whatver they wanted to without limitations, there were no child labor regulations, they did whatever it took to accumulate more for themselves, even if it means abusing other people. And until the gov. interfered there were a lot of problems.

Jaymie you are right, there should be a happy medium.
We should be able to run our own businesses and make our own money but a bit of government regulation isn't bad...andGovernment should care for their underpriviledged citizens and open doors for people who don't have any otehr way out.

-- Edited by DaisyVo1212 on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:47:06 PM

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Oh yes look how well government is taking care of our elderly with all the awesome programs like social security, medicare, and medicad. Oh yes they totally do a better job! /rolls his eyes

The things is thoguh that once we meet our own needs we have more time/energy/and resources to give to those that do not but it should not be something that is forced. When it is forced you cause people to have a negative mindset about how much they really have so they always feel the need to make up for what they have lost.
The statistics say that religious Americans give four times as much money to charity each year than secular people, and are 23 times more likely to volunteer to help people than folks who never attend church. And heres another crushing stat: If liberals donated blood at the rate conservatives do, the nations blood supply would rise 45%.

I point this out because individualists are usually conservative or libertarians.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:42:15 PM

you are right about social security, all of those private charities out there are doing a much better job than the governemnt... not.

you point out the fact that religious people donate more and volunteer more but i think that most of them are forced to by peer pressure and by the fact that they want to go to heaven or whatever they believe. it is simply a human quality to not want to do things without rewards. so the rare few who do things out of the true goodness of their hearts cannot be counted on to take care of all that need to be taken care of.

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Because the person who is donating their blood is religous you think it's all cause of peer pressure? That has two problems: The first is I don't know any people who think it's super cool to donate money to an organization or donate blood. They do it out of the kindness of their hearts because they believe that they have enough and they want to help others. Second is that even if it is religously motivated by them going to heaven it is simply them taking care of themselves and other people getting assistance in the process. That sounds like individualism to me.

The people who start charities are the ones who are doing it from the goodness of their heart and they assist more people then the government could ever imagine because their reach does not stop at the borders.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:50:58 PM

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Because the person who is donating their blood is religous you think it's all cause of peer pressure? That has two problems: The first is I don't know any people who think it's super cool to donate money to an organization or donate blood. They do it out of the kindness of their hearts because they believe that they have enough and they want to help others. Second is that even if it is religously motivated by them going to heaven it is simply them taking care of themselves and other people getting assistance in the process. That sounds like individualism to me.

The people who start charities are the ones who are doing it from the goodness of their heart and they assist more people then the government could ever imagine because their reach does not stop at the borders.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 05:50:58 PM

haha i never thought i would hear you want to help people outside of the boarders with your anti immigration views.

and people being pressured by their religion is almost exactly the same as people being pressured by governemnt. people dont realize that you dont HAVE to pay taxes. if you dont you will go to jail but everything you do has an afteraffect/consequence. so paying taxes is a choice.

and i bet you that people do most of the good things they do for some kind of hidden motive other than to be good, give me any example and i will tell you what the motive is.

im not saying that there are no truly good hearted people out there because there are. but there are not enough to sustain all the funding necessary to take care of those who need it

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Some religions require you to donate and that is true. I don't agree with it and it's a collectivist idea anyways. We all have choices and the choice to pay our taxes only goes so far. Even if you don't pay them you go to jail then the government takes your crap that is equal to the amount you owe. Not a realistic choice and is a very unstable basis to demand more collectivist programs on. The fact of the matter is when people are allowed to take care of themselves and prosper rather then forced to help others then they actually CHOOSE to help others more often and better then when they are forced.

ericaedgley · Senior Member

coramarie:p wrote:

I have to say that gun control remains to be a huge problem in todays world. This issue only continues in getting worse with each progressing year. As far as taking action and fighting for limitaions with the right to bear arms would be a hard mountain to climb to be honest. Im not sure what steps we could take to change the problem but there has to be some set of limitations to the arising dilemas.

I completely agree with cora.

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erica edgley

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

ericaedgley wrote:

coramarie:p wrote:

I have to say that gun control remains to be a huge problem in todays world. This issue only continues in getting worse with each progressing year. As far as taking action and fighting for limitaions with the right to bear arms would be a hard mountain to climb to be honest. Im not sure what steps we could take to change the problem but there has to be some set of limitations to the arising dilemas.

I completely agree with cora.

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erica edgley

WTH? Ooookkkk?!?!

Snackycakes · Senior Member

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

ericaedgley wrote:

coramarie:p wrote:

I have to say that gun control remains to be a huge problem in todays world. This issue only continues in getting worse with each progressing year. As far as taking action and fighting for limitaions with the right to bear arms would be a hard mountain to climb to be honest. Im not sure what steps we could take to change the problem but there has to be some set of limitations to the arising dilemas.

I completely agree with cora.

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erica edgley

WTH? Ooookkkk?!?!

I agree to your disagreement to agree with her agreement.

Bam · Senior Member

I think in alot of ways individualism is good because there is no interference from the government but when things get out of hand the government steps in to help the situation.

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Bam wrote:

I think in alot of ways individualism is good because there is no interference from the government but when things get out of hand the government steps in to help the situation.

I just want one instance besides after natural or man made disasters happen where the government helped someone by getting involved in their affairs.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Friday 24th of April 2009 05:31:17 PM