EDHS Contemporary World Affairs

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

The Eight Principles + One & Twelve Values

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

im just going to write what i think next to or below the sentence. in bold so its more obvious to you

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

The Eight Principles
1. America is good.
Each society has good and not so good qualities so you are missing half of the statement
2. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Sounds good
3. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Family is great as long as you dont have a sense of us Vs. them type of thing which can become unhealthy in my opinion. The second sentence is somewhat contradictory to number 4 i think.

4. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
like i was saying, if you and your spouse are the ultimate authorities then you would obey yourself no matter what the government said and therefore you would consider yourself to be above the law of the land if your own morals disagreed with them. just pointing that out
5. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
i think i would agree, there are no guarantees of anything.
6. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
At the present moment the government can and does force you to be charitable, and fighting it over the principle of the thing is a waste of time and energy in my opinion.
7. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
Un-american? what does that have to do with sharing your opinions?
8. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
People like to think that but in reality you do answer to government. people do have some control over government of course but we put them there to give us structure, support, and guidelines. example of us answering to government... TAXES!
12 Values
Honesty Reverence Hope Thrift Humility Charity Sincerity Moderation Hard Work Courage Personal Responsibility Gratitude
It would be nice if people had these characteristics but all i have to say is good luck!
The Ninth Principle I understand some will not agree with but tell me if you agree with the rest.

9. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
No comment.
Tell me what you think of all this because I really want ot see how much we can all agree upon.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Friday 1st of May 2009 10:24:39 PM

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

im just going to write what i think next to or below the sentence. in bold so its more obvious to you

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

The Eight Principles
1. America is good.
Each society has good and not so good qualities so you are missing half of the statement
2. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Sounds good
3. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Family is great as long as you dont have a sense of us Vs. them type of thing which can become unhealthy in my opinion. The second sentence is somewhat contradictory to number 4 i think.

4. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
like i was saying, if you and your spouse are the ultimate authorities then you would obey yourself no matter what the government said and therefore you would consider yourself to be above the law of the land if your own morals disagreed with them. just pointing that out
5. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
i think i would agree, there are no guarantees of anything.
6. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
At the present moment the government can and does force you to be charitable, and fighting it over the principle of the thing is a waste of time and energy in my opinion.
7. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
Un-american? what does that have to do with sharing your opinions?
8. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
People like to think that but in reality you do answer to government. people do have some control over government of course but we put them there to give us structure, support, and guidelines. example of us answering to government... TAXES!
12 Values
Honesty Reverence Hope Thrift Humility Charity Sincerity Moderation Hard Work Courage Personal Responsibility Gratitude
It would be nice if people had these characteristics but all i have to say is good luck!
The Ninth Principle I understand some will not agree with but tell me if you agree with the rest.

9. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
No comment.
Tell me what you think of all this because I really want ot see how much we can all agree upon.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Friday 1st of May 2009 10:24:39 PM

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

My government is to serve me and protec tme and not vica versa. I did not put them in power to control me I put them in power to do what I think best and protect me.

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

i find it interesting that you think you put them there

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

i find it interesting that you think you put them there

I find it interesting that you didn't. By bending over and allowing them to not submit to your voice and oppinion you have put them there. if you want to control your leaders you must have a voice and when silenced you must shout louder.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
Samuel Adams

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

that i didnt what? put them there. of course i didnt put them there. i am still to young to vote.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
Samuel Adams

isnt this life about being happy? (Rhetorical question...) yes it is. and that quote you put up does not sound like those people are happy or even on the right trail to be happy. "Irate" and "tireless" are not generally words used to describe happy people.

that is my biggest problem with people who get so caught up in political frenzies. they lose sight of what is really important and they just are in a "tunnel vision mode" where they just see this one aspect and they dont see the big picture. if people saw the big picture, they wouldnt squabble over stupid problems and principles. this applies not only to this topic but to like almost every other topic out there. think about it. dont just pass over what im saying like it is some hippy non-sense because if you do then you are missing out on what is truly important like the other hundreds of millions of americans

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Your basicly telling me to just ignore what my government does. You also believe that people are corrupt and power hungry, ego maniacs, unhappy, and have political tunnel vision when they care about politics. You act as if just ignoring the problems with our system will make us all feel better but guess what that is what is pissing us off. People are tired of high taxes, government intervention, broken promises, fear mongering and the like. It is the "irate, tireless minority" that stands up before the rest of us making us aware of our pathetic situation and lighting a fire withing us all that pursues freedom, liberty, and change. If you want to call me unhappy then your right. I am very unhappy with what my government is doing.

I am your friend and you know this so when I say that I get pissed off at the fact tha tyou take for granted all that we have it means something. Stop ignoring the changes in our time because we are living through history everyday and how you react to it might just change it for the better. We have a voice in our government and a chance to mold it to what we believe is best for us yet since we have such a fiery passion to fix something that is broken I am declared unhappy. The mindset you have set for yourself and all those that have one like you are submiting yourself to the will of others and have commited your life to serfdom. Ignorance is bliss but ignorance is also a false reality. You don't have to agree with me on an issue but for god sakes take this voice you have and shout it from the mountains top and enjoy the fact tha tyou can do that without being put in prison. How about you live by my motto:

Ignorance is a false freedom.

Knowledge is a burden.

Only true love can save us now.

To do something you know is wrong is bad. To not stand up for what you believe is right is worse. If you take offense to this then sorry but if you have the audacity to say these things online and to my face then say them to the officials in washington and sacramento instead of hiding in a bubble of a fake reality.

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

i think i live more by your motto than you do. I'm trying to meet the crazy rulers and countries with understanding and acceptance and i say happiness is good anyway you can find it that is not destructive to the people or world around you. if you are ignorant and happy, what is the problem. sometimes i envy people that can close their eyes to the world and be in a little bubble of self diluted happiness. but i cant so i have to try to find happiness where it manifests from me and that is definitely not in the political world. im glad for you that you have found something that you feel passion for and for you this is probably something you will do for the rest of your life, but that doesnt mean i have to do it too.

every politician is a liar, therefore it is useless to support any of them because you dont know which part of their platform they are lying about. so why would you subject yourself and be apart of this massive chaos of lying, egos, and power crazed minds? i asked myself this question and there was no answer. and chris, i dont expect my words to change your views, like your book said, something like, time changes more people's minds than reason, im not saying you dont have reason but you are very hardset in your ways and are sure your way is right and thats fine, but i dont want to butt my head up against a wall that moves no where. so while i dont expect to change your mind (or anyone elses) i just want to be free to try and help people and animals on a basis that i can deal with. and that basis is not on the grounds of government. you can be my voice chris, im sure you will do what you think is best, just have a peace dominated mindset is all i ask for.

and chris if we truly are the good friends you say we are, wouldnt you want me to be happy? i want that for you. and sorry for the myspace comment if it was too harsh, its just that "stupid friends" thing was hurtful. i was assuming you were talking about me.

-- Edited by geriatric1991 on Saturday 2nd of May 2009 02:18:06 PM

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

i think i live more by your motto than you do. I'm trying to meet the crazy rulers and countries with understanding and acceptance and i say happiness is good anyway you can find it that is not destructive to the people or world around you. if you are ignorant and happy, what is the problem. sometimes i envy people that can close their eyes to the world and be in a little bubble of self diluted happiness. but i cant so i have to try to find happiness where it manifests from me and that is definitely not in the political world. im glad for you that you have found something that you feel passion for and for you this is probably something you will do for the rest of your life, but that doesnt mean i have to do it too.

every politician is a liar, therefore it is useless to support any of them because you dont know which part of their platform they are lying about. so why would you subject yourself and be apart of this massive chaos of lying, egos, and power crazed minds? i asked myself this question and there was no answer. and chris, i dont expect my words to change your views, like your book said, something like, time changes more people's minds than reason, im not saying you dont have reason but you are very hardset in your ways and are sure your way is right and thats fine, but i dont want to butt my head up against a wall that moves no where. so while i dont expect to change your mind (or anyone elses) i just want to be free to try and help people and animals on a basis that i can deal with. and that basis is not on the grounds of government. you can be my voice chris, im sure you will do what you think is best, just have a peace dominated mindset is all i ask for.

and chris if we truly are the good friends you say we are, wouldnt you want me to be happy? i want that for you. and sorry for the myspace comment if it was too harsh, its just that "stupid friends" thing was hurtful. i was assuming you were talking about me.

-- Edited by geriatric1991 on Saturday 2nd of May 2009 02:18:06 PM

LOL It says stupid people AT friends. Just another night of them trying to make me go to their church instead of just accepting that I love being catholic. For a the whole story check out myspace.

I could break down everything you said about everyone in politics beoing liars but that is why I say people need to have principles and stand by them. You once argued that principles get in the way of reason but principles should be our tool of reason. Something never given up to anyone and cherished.

I say true love because true love is when both sides come togehter and help and care for one another. Ignoring the fact that someone hates you is not the answer but rather helping those who want you to be there and allowing those who dislike you to sit in their own pile of self loathing. I think my thoughts on life, politics, economics are all really focused around that motto and I do a good job (I feel) of arguing my points to make a change.

-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) on Sunday 3rd of May 2009 01:05:51 AM

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

read the myspace, but every one has a bubble. everyone closes their eyes to something. if hey didnt i think most people would end up killing themselves because life would be too much to bare

LaurrenM · Senior Member

Whoa.