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The California Supreme Court has upheld Proposition 8 -- the controversial ballot question that banned same-sex marriage.

At the same time, the ruling will allow about 18,000 same-sex couples already married, to retain the rights they attained during the brief six-month period that gay marriage was legal in the state.

"There it goes," said Jim Schnobrich, who married his partner of 27 years in Pasadena, Calif., last September. "We have to keep going."

Still, the couple, who have two children, aged 12 and 16, said that they are now in a "weird class," as the ruling preserved their 8-month-old same sex-marriage.

"That's good news, but the bigger thing is that now we have this weird status that other people can't have. There is this kind of equality situation where people are maybe thinking we aren't really married."

"But it's not going to change anything in our lives," he told ABCNews.com. "We feel strongly about equality and will move ahead. But I worry for my kids and how they feel. I want them to be in a place like every other family at their school. It's hard to explain to them."

Christian groups that applauded retention of the ban say that the ruling on those same-sex marriages could create a conflict -- not only in the marital rights of Californians, but in adoption and income tax laws.

"It's disappointing that the court will continue to uphold the legality of those who married during May to November of last year," said Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst for Focus on the Family in Action. "We don't know what the situation will be like, but it's likely to cause havoc in the courts as they try to deal with a class of individuals that look totally different."

Gay rights advocates, disappointed with the ruling, said their next step would be to "take it back to the voters," said Jennifer Pizer, director of the marriage equality project for Lambda Legal.

Lambda has already launched an educational campaign, Marriage Watch California, that will specifically target the communities of color and diverse church groups, which overwhelmingly supported Proposition 8.

"We will give education and legal support as part of a broad effort all over the state to provide greater visibility on why this issue is important and why there is no basis in the fear mongering from the other side," Pizer told ABCNews.com.

The contentious campaign pitted gay rights activists against Christian church groups including the Mormons, who raised a record $83 million to pass the referendum.


How do you feel about the Supreme Court's desicion to uphold the ban? Was justice served like Thanksgiving dinner, or was it unjust?



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a nice slice of popular sovereignty served to the citizens of Cali.



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Finally they do what the people of california have voted for TWICE! It's nice to feel that there is some real people in leadership positions today.

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definitely not unjust in my opinion
the majority of people in California voted for prop 8
so it's only right to honor those votes by upholding prop 8 :)

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If it's the will of the people then that's how it will be...until the next election at least.
It'll always be on the ballot either way. On the bright side though, it preserves the status of those who are already legally married.

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im glad that the people can do what they voted for

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ich_binJason wrote:

a nice slice of popular sovereignty served to the citizens of Cali.




 i second



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well the democratic way is to take it to a vote and thats what they did. you cant complain about that anymore that you can about whoever the president is or may have been. the majority of the people are happy with the decision.

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not everyone is always going to be happy with decisions that are made. we have to sacrafice sometimes. no one is going to agree on the same thing all the time. we just have to learn to compromise. some are going to hate the decison and some are going to love it.

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majority rule...

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Sometimes minorties are just wrong though so majority rule should not be used in a negative context. Nazis anyone?

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Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Sometimes minorties are just wrong though so majority rule should not be used in a negative context. Nazis anyone?




 Just for clarification: in this case, you're saying that The supporters of Gay Marriage are the minority? So by association, supporting Gay Marriage is wrong?



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KW00D wrote:

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Sometimes minorties are just wrong though so majority rule should not be used in a negative context. Nazis anyone?




 Just for clarification: in this case, you're saying that The supporters of Gay Marriage are the minority? So by association, supporting Gay Marriage is wrong?



From my perspective I believe so. I don't believe athiests should be granted marriage licenses either because it's a religous term.

 



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Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

KW00D wrote:

 

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Sometimes minorties are just wrong though so majority rule should not be used in a negative context. Nazis anyone?




 Just for clarification: in this case, you're saying that The supporters of Gay Marriage are the minority? So by association, supporting Gay Marriage is wrong?



From my perspective I believe so. I don't believe athiests should be granted marriage licenses either because it's a religous term.

 



I think that by saying that it's straight up "wrong," is somewhat closed-minded. You can say that you don't agree with it, or don't support those who ARE supporters of Gay Marriage, however that can be perceived as an attack against those who do.
Does that make sense? It sounds kind of awkward.

 



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KW00D wrote:

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

 

KW00D wrote:

 

Bonemail-(Christophe K) wrote:

Sometimes minorties are just wrong though so majority rule should not be used in a negative context. Nazis anyone?




 Just for clarification: in this case, you're saying that The supporters of Gay Marriage are the minority? So by association, supporting Gay Marriage is wrong?



From my perspective I believe so. I don't believe athiests should be granted marriage licenses either because it's a religous term.

 



I think that by saying that it's straight up "wrong," is somewhat closed-minded. You can say that you don't agree with it, or don't support those who ARE supporters of Gay Marriage, however that can be perceived as an attack against those who do.
Does that make sense? It sounds kind of awkward.

 



I can see what your saying in a way. In fact I feel like I am being less offensive by trying not to make it a personal attack except that their idea is wrong. I know there are those who think that prop 8 is wrong but once again it's not their place to redefine a term associated with religion.

 



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