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Connecticut cancels Catholic Church control


Its remarkable what a little publicity can accomplish.  Take, for example, Connecticut lawmakers Mike Lawlor and Andrew McDonald, who pledged to support and defend the US Constitution as part of their public duties.  After their attempt to dictate the structure of the Catholic Church in Connecticut resulted in outrage and derision, they finally got around to reading the founding document:

Following the biggest political firestorm of the 2009 legislative session, a public hearing scheduled for Wednesday on the financial and administrative management of the Catholic Church has been canceled. The bill is dead for the rest of the legislative session.

As soon as word spread about the bill, the Legislative Office Building was flooded with telephone calls and e-mails on Monday. The bill, virtually overnight, became the hottest issue at the state Capitol.

The cancellation came less than 24 hours after Senate Republican John McKinney of Fairfield called for the cancellation, saying that his caucus was unanimously against the bill because they believe it is clearly unconstitutional.

Its more than a belief.  The First Amendment makes that clear:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

After many people wondered aloud how Lawlor and McDonald managed to graduate their high-school civics class, they finally admitted that their bill to strip Catholic bishops of authority over parishes had, well, overreached but they blamed Connecticut for their confusion:

For reasons that are unclear, Connecticut has had generations-old laws on the books singling out particular religions and treating them differently from other religions in our statutes.  That doesnt seem right.

Youre just figuring that out?

In fact, many of our existing corporate laws dealing with particular religious groups appear to us to be unconstitutional under the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. If that is correct, any changes to that law would likely also be unconstitutional.

No kidding!  And your solution was to expand those laws?

With that in mind, it would serve no useful purpose to have a conversation about changing the laws that govern existing Roman Catholic corporations until we know if any of these existing laws are constitutional.

Did it not occur to Lawlor and McDonald that legislating the structure of a religion is not a useful purpose for government at all, and not just when theyve discovered that they goofed by expanding unenforced and unenforceable laws on their books?  In what way does the state of Connecticut have any useful purpose in designing church management structures?

Theyre embarrassed, but they still havent learned why. 

Update: Some in the comments say that Lawlor and McDonald only have to worry about the state constitution, not the federal Constitution.  I beg to differ heres the oath of office, emphasis mine:

You do solemnly swear (or affirm) that you will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Connecticut, so long as you continue a citizen thereof; and that you will faithfully discharge, according to law, the duties of the Office of State Representative to the best of your abilities; so help you God.

States cannot infringe on rights enumerated in the Constitution.  That explicitly includes the right to free speech, assembly, redress of grievances, bearing arms, protection against unreasonable search and seizure, and protection against self-incrimination, among others.  Any state law that infringes on these are unconstitutional and invalid.

Anyone think this might be since the catholic church is anti-gay marriage and so they don't want them spending their money on Prop. 8 type bills? 

Let us be frank with one another. Seperation of church and state is that the government will not teach, dictate, or prefer one relgion over another. It does not mean that the people can not be influenced by the church on how they make their decisions. It does not mean that the church can't support things that they agree with. The catholic church gave money to the Civil rights movements in the 60's and 70's but there was no outrage there. This is what i mean by intolerance. If someone doesn't have the same opinion as you but you just accept it then your tolerant of them. If you try to force them, manipulate them, or harrass them into going along with what you want then you are intolerant. It's not the churches who are the biggets in this story but those who can't handle disagreement.

What do you think about this?



-- Edited by Bonemail-(Christophe K) at 23:39, 2009-03-11

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I think the Catholic Church has enough to worry about at the moment with people having sit-ins at their parishes to protest church closures (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29553483/) without having to take on the gov, too.

Having said that...

The Framers were, of course, geniuses, as were the Anti-Federalists to insist so hard on the Bill of Rights.  People have a hard, hard time dealing "fairly" with religion because it involves such deeply held, passionate beliefs...whether those individuals self-identify as religious or not...and the issues involve so much more faith than logic, which is why this "wall of separation" was established in the first place....Whenever the gov starts getting involved in church issues, these questions of fairness ensue, whether it's churches having their IRS status threatened because anti-war messages are preached from the pulpit (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=5671114) ... but then other churches do not have it threatened after anti-gay-marriage messages...or vouchers are issued so parents can use tax money to send students to religious schools.... it's tough for government to take a stance that respects all faiths and also those who are non-religious.

U.S. News & World Report had an interesting debate in a November issue that sort of approached this from the other side - to what extent should churches get involved in political issues - you can see the pro/con positions here:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/11/10/irs-should-not-keep-churches-out-of-politics.html

http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/11/10/a-church-should-not-be-a-political-machine.html

...this became particularly controversial in the 2004 election when churches were denying communion to congregants based on their politics, a practice that continued into this election cycle:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/02/AR2008060202591.html



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