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Tolerating atheist ???


In order to respond to excessive religious campaigns, atheists in London designed a poster carrying the slogan, There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.

Although more than 300 people complained about this advertisement being misleading and offensive to believers, British watchdogs ruled that this advertisement does not breach advertising rules. (The Jakarta Post, Jan. 23, 2009).

Thanks to the maturity of British society, there have been no mass demonstrations or acts of violence to be seen so far, although this advertisement attacked the heart of the fundamental tenet of religion. This advertisement reminds me of Ahmad Wahibs reflection on believing in God. Ahmad Wahib, a journalist from Tempo magazine, who passed away at a very young age three decades ago, wrote in his diary, Surely, how can people be asked to voluntarily believe in God, if they are not allowed to think of the possibility of the truth of the belief that there is no God?

While people are free to query or doubt God, in line with the principle of there being no coercion in religion, it is not easy to become atheist. Why? Because the existence of God is not merely backed by religious dogma, but is also supported by so many rational arguments.There are ontology, teleology, cosmology and moral arguments developed in philosophy, or more precisely, in the philosophy of religion.

Even in traditional Islamic boarding schools (pesantren), for a long time when I was still a student there, students were allowed to choose and become followers of one of the schools of Islamic thought (madzhab), such as Syafii, Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali, as moral and normative guidance for their daily life. But students were not allowed to become followers of others in the matter of believing in God. In Islamic boarding schools, students were trained, logically and spiritually, to realize the existence of God.    

If there are people in this world who choose to be or declare themselves atheists or agnostics, how do we treat them?

First, since becoming the follower of a religion is a matter of choice, in this case I agree with the spirit of Wahibs reflection, in condoning or tolerating people who still think of the possibility of there being no God. People should be free to become believers or nonbelievers.

Second, in my opinion, atheism or agnosticism is a matter of a process, as people find it difficult, in fact, to become truly atheist.

The remark that There is probably no God indicates that those who identify themselves as atheists are not convinced enough in their refusal of God. Because, at least to me, if somebody understands who he or she is, they will understand their God, as the Prophet Muhammad said he who can recognize his soul will recognize his God (man arafa nafsahu fa qad arafa rabbahu).

There is a spirit of God in every human being which no one, including those who do not verbally acknowledge it, can refuse.    

How to treat atheists in this country? If there is someone who silently still prefers to become an atheist or an agnostic, his or her right as a fellow citizen of Indonesia should be respected.
It is, partly, because of his or her frustration with religion, that a person silently embraces atheism or agnosticism.

It is true that religion sometimes becomes evil, as elaborated on by Charles Kimball in his book, When Religion becomes Evil.

It is also true that religion sometimes poisons everything, as discussed in the best-selling book by Christopher Hitchens entitled God is not great; how religion poisons everything, which was recently reviewed by Simon Marcus Gower (The Jakarta Post, Jan. 11, 2009)

But there is always another author who strives to correct a misunderstanding. Through his book Religion is not opium (Agama itu bukan candu) Eko P. Darmawan endeavors to explain that even Karl Marx, who was often accused of being a supporter of atheism because of his words, it [religion] is the opium of the people, was not.

In conclusion, the maturity of being a religious follower can be measured by our readiness to respect different and conflicting interpretations of religion without forcing one another to change, our readiness to build a peaceful coexistence and to work together to make this world better for all.

Your Opinions ?



-- Edited by BrianaV on Thursday 2nd of April 2009 04:37:27 PM

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i wonder if atheists get offended when they see things about god and jesus on people's bumper stickers. i say as long as your religion promotes peace and happiness it is ok to share with the public on the streets

-- Edited by geriatric1991 on Thursday 2nd of April 2009 11:39:04 PM

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i dont get offended by atheism even though i am a religious person. as long as they are peaceful they can believe what they want. whatever makes people happy...its a free world.

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"In conclusion, the maturity of being a religious follower can be measured by our readiness to respect different and conflicting interpretations of religion without forcing one another to change, our readiness to build a peaceful coexistence and to work together to make this world better for all."

Ramen!

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I think the best method for religious and non-religious to co-exist would be for each to respect the other's opinion. This doesn't mean that everyone must leave everyone else alone, no; I think it is perfectly fine for both the religious and the athiest/agnostic to spread their ideas, peacefully. But once violence is involved or there is mandatory conversion then something must be done.

And for those who would look back to religion's violent past, I would agree that religion has been violent (and still is in some countries) but not because it has to be. I believe anything can be corrupted and religion when turned to promote violence is simply due to human corruption. There are some including Christopher Hitchens who claim the root of religion is evil and one day will lead to our destruction. Your opinion on whether you believe religion is innately evil or just made evil by humans will vary on whether you believe that religion was created by man or by a "God".

Quick note: Christopher Hitchens is debating Dr.William Lane Craig @ Biola this Saturday, for those who are interested. They'll also release a DVD of the debate 6-8 weeks from now.

In response to Jaymie, I don't think athiests would get offended but would simply laugh at it or scoff since non-religious people are usually more "relaxed" in their attitude.


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Like Daisy said, It is a free country. This is the whole reason why america was sought out, for freedom of religion.

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i agree, thats another thing i meant to put that mostly it odesnt seem like athiest care if you believe in god or not but the people that belive in god generally (not always) have a fit about any opposing view points. EXAMPLE: the crusades of course.

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jacobcorbin wrote:

Like Daisy said, It is a free country. This is the whole reason why america was sought out, for freedom of religion.



In was in London, but i agree either way they should have the right the express themselfs in there own way.

 



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i strongly feel that everybody should be able to practice whatever religion they want. However, it crosses the line when people start trying to preach their religious beliefs onto others.

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geriatric1991 wrote:

i agree, thats another thing i meant to put that mostly it odesnt seem like athiest care if you believe in god or not but the people that belive in god generally (not always) have a fit about any opposing view points. EXAMPLE: the crusades of course.




 religion causes wars.



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religion doesnt cause wars, people's lack of understanding does. i belive that most if not all of the major religions out there promote peace

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geriatric1991 wrote:

religion doesnt cause wars, people's lack of understanding does. i belive that most if not all of the major religions out there promote peace



I guess you could say it's a lack of understanding. But it's also the fact that every Major religion says that they are the TRUE religion...which in my opinion is just asking for war. I think that's why there have been so many controversies is because they feel that other followers aren't doing it the right way.
But I don't really know for sure. Religion isn't my strong point.
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geriatric1991 wrote:

i agree, thats another thing i meant to put that mostly it odesnt seem like athiest care if you believe in god or not but the people that belive in god generally (not always) have a fit about any opposing view points. EXAMPLE: the crusades of course.



I agree that this is usually the case and it's because religion is close to the heart while atheism is not. Religion is largely based on the heart and emotions while atheism is more based on the brain and logic. This is why usually religious people tend to be more intune with their emotions.

Personally, I'm not bothered by the "God probably doesn't exist so enjoy your life" it simply provokes thought, which I love.





 



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well even if that is so (relgions say that theres is right) do you kill people because they are wrong about an issue? of course not. you try to understand their point of view and accept that

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