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DaisyVo1212 · Senior Member

Mailman allegedly stole stamps to pay for mortgage

LaurrenM · Senior Member

stealing is always wrong

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

KW00D · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

Good thing Jaymie is not religous :P

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

why would you use things that you dont support in your argument? you said that there are exceptions but stealing has none? that is contrdictary, please explain that to me.

KW00D · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

why would you use things that you dont support in your argument? you said that there are exceptions but stealing has none? that is contrdictary, please explain that to me.

There are "exceptions," meaning potential special circumstances to everything, if one looks for them. Just because one can find an "exception" to a CRIME doesn't make it okay. If someone is killed, and the murderer was mentally unstable, that doesn't mean that it's okay because that's a "special circumstance." A crime is a crime is a crime, and in reality there should be NO exceptions to it. It doesn't matter what the "circumstance" was, the point is that it was wrong, and he should be punished accordingly.

Crime is ALWAYS wrong, and you've got to be insane if you think otherwise.

Furthermore, I cited the 10 Commandments to back my argument that it IS wrong, no matter the reason.

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

why would you use things that you dont support in your argument? you said that there are exceptions but stealing has none? that is contrdictary, please explain that to me.

There are "exceptions," meaning potential special circumstances to everything, if one looks for them. Just because one can find an "exception" to a CRIME doesn't make it okay. If someone is killed, and the murderer was mentally unstable, that doesn't mean that it's okay because that's a "special circumstance." A crime is a crime is a crime, and in reality there should be NO exceptions to it. It doesn't matter what the "circumstance" was, the point is that it was wrong, and he should be punished accordingly.

Crime is ALWAYS wrong, and you've got to be insane if you think otherwise.
Furthermore, I cited the 10 Commandments to back my argument that it IS wrong, no matter the reason.

crime is not always wrong. look at slavery. it was illegal to run away and have freedoms if you were black. maybe im just insane but i thought slavery was not a very good thing. do you think they should still be in shackles being shipped from africa? i think anyone that thinks that we should still have slaves is insane.

Everything is point of view and you cant say things are wrong when you look from an outsiders perspective because if you were the starving person i bet you wouldnt think stealing is wrong

-- Edited by geriatric1991 on Wednesday 13th of May 2009 06:05:22 PM

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

The essence of all debates is two perspectives arguing from their perch. Just like debates all things have to sides and thusly there is not set right and wrong just the general agreement of what is and what is not.

ghan28 · Veteran Member

its always about the mortgage..

KW00D · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i dont think stealing is always wrong. stealing bread from a wealthy person to feed your starving family?

never says never, and never say always. there are exceptions to everything!

I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong...and even though I'm not religious, refer to the 10 commandments.

why would you use things that you dont support in your argument? you said that there are exceptions but stealing has none? that is contrdictary, please explain that to me.

There are "exceptions," meaning potential special circumstances to everything, if one looks for them. Just because one can find an "exception" to a CRIME doesn't make it okay. If someone is killed, and the murderer was mentally unstable, that doesn't mean that it's okay because that's a "special circumstance." A crime is a crime is a crime, and in reality there should be NO exceptions to it. It doesn't matter what the "circumstance" was, the point is that it was wrong, and he should be punished accordingly.

Crime is ALWAYS wrong, and you've got to be insane if you think otherwise.
Furthermore, I cited the 10 Commandments to back my argument that it IS wrong, no matter the reason.

crime is not always wrong. look at slavery. it was illegal to run away and have freedoms if you were balck. maybe im just insane but i thought slavery was not a very good thing. do you think they should still be in shackles being shipped from africa? i think anyone that thinks that we should still have slaves is insane.

Everything is point of view and you cant say things are wrong when you look from an outsiders perspective because if you were the starving person i bet you wouldnt think stealing is wrong

But this guy WASNT starving. He stole 44cent STAMPS to pay for his mortgage? Either he had a low mortgage, or stole a massive amount of stamps. I'm pretty sure he could have gone without some comforts[sattelite tv? Unnecessary.].
Like Chris said, it's all about Ingenuity.
Resorting to stealing is NOT being creative.

If you're going to look from an outsider's perspective, look at the people he's stealing from. Maybe they're going through something similar. It's NEVER okay to steal. Otherwise the big man upstairs wouldn't have put it in the 10 commandments.
hahaha

Luis777 · Senior Member

he was just trying to not loose his house

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

i wasnt commenting on the man stealing stamps i as commenting on laurens original statement that stealing is always wrong. i hope you can see things through other peoples perspectives better. you will be a happier person and by not, you and the world around you are the ones that suffer

KW00D · Senior Member

geriatric1991 wrote:

i wasnt commenting on the man stealing stamps i as commenting on laurens original statement that stealing is always wrong. i hope you can see things through other peoples perspectives better. you will be a happier person and by not, you and the world around you are the ones that suffer

I'm extremely glad that you just attacked my character...especially when you don't know me.

Cute.

Bonemail-(Christophe K) · Senior Member

Karen if I may explain what Jaymie is trying to say. Him and I have agreed after fierce debate that all concepts of right and wrong, existance and non-existance, alive and dead are all based on perspective. The general agreement of any of these things by a majority is what creates what we refer to as facts. It's a very philisophical debate that he is arguing so let me bring it down to a smaller level.

We can agree in a general statement that stealing is wrong. On the other hand though if I steal one hundred dollars from you and I am not sorry cause I need the money to pay off some loan sharks we would then have a disagreement. You would see me as a theif, a leech on society and so on. I would see myself as doing what is necessary for my kneecaps to not be broken in and your just an unfortunate victim of my need for cash.

This is why he has said "Never say never and never say always." (As ironic as it sounds I guess it's the only time to say never which would break the say but that's another debate.) Now I believe as well that he is not saying it was not wrong for him to steal he is simply saying that not all actions can be taken at face value. Another thing that I want to mention is I am glad you are using the ten commandments as an example but you are still explaining your thoughts from your point of view and you can't use something you disagree with to prove a point.

"I agree that there are exceptions to everything, but stealing is stealing, and that IS wrong"

This comment does not make any sense in any rational way possible. If there is an exception to everything then there is an exception where stealing is not wrong. I think you were trying to say "There is an exception to everything but when this guy stole it seems wrong to me." I hope this was a better explanation then the ones offered before. :)

geriatric1991 · Senior Member

KW00D wrote:

geriatric1991 wrote:

i wasnt commenting on the man stealing stamps i as commenting on laurens original statement that stealing is always wrong. i hope you can see things through other peoples perspectives better. you will be a happier person and by not, you and the world around you are the ones that suffer

I'm extremely glad that you just attacked my character...especially when you don't know me.
Cute.

I find it interesting that you thought i was talking specifically about you when actually i was making a general statement of how i think intolerance and close-mindedness breeds this hatred and misunderstanding so many people have for one another. i can see how my wording might have led you to believe it was about you directly but it is about the whole situation.

and yes thank you chris, i could have not explained my case any better than you did up there

-- Edited by geriatric1991 on Friday 15th of May 2009 01:20:55 AM

Captain John Manassero · Senior Member

desperate time call for desperate measures, i guess

Vanessabug · Senior Member

i think that there could have been other ways for him to make this money, though. he obviously has time to sit around and go on the internet so why not sell somehting he OWNS like old stuff orrrrrrrrrrrrrr HEY maybe get another job??

Bam · Senior Member

stealing is no way to go

B_Marshburn · Senior Member

I agree with Vanessa he should have found another way to get the money. He could have started working two jobs instead of one or found another way to pay off the mortgage.